• Re: BBS Discussion

    From Nightfox@46:1/150 to metalhead on Sat Jun 3 10:23:16 2017
    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: metalhead to Nightfox on Sat Jun 03 2017 12:01 am

    Android though.. It seems fTelnet is the best I've seen for Android
    so far.

    I agree.

    I love BBSs that offer fTelnet, because it's a nice concept to be able to BBS while on the go. But, I'd like to see BBSing retrofitted for the web in a more enjoyable way, some day.

    There's an actual fTelnet app for Android too, so you don't have to visit a BBS's web site.

    It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networked internet forums - something that people could easily inject into their website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the BBS world.

    Do you get me? That would totally do the trick!

    Not quite sure what you mean.. Many modern BBS software packages have a web server, so with many BBSes that carry FidoNet, you can log into the BBS's web site and read the FidoNet forums there.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Digital Avatar on Sat Jun 3 10:26:36 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Digital Avatar to Nightfox on Sat Jun 03 2017 12:37 am

    the keyboard. I liked it, and I'm not sure why more phones aren't
    made with physical keyboards.

    Because keyboard-free devices were a thing for a time and everybody hopped on the trend. The fact that it let them eliminate a part that would save

    Were? It seems like keyboard-free devices are the thing right now.. I haven't seen a smartphone with a physical keyboard for a long time. Even before I had my LG Optimus Slider, there weren't many smartphones I saw that had a physical keyboard. So I'm not sure most manufacturers are eliminating a part..

    them a couple bucks per unit just made it that much easier to justify. Now if you really want a keyboard they can sell it to you separately and jack the price up knowing you have no idea you're being scammed. Sick, isn't it?

    I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's a scam.. I suppose many people probably wouldn't care about having a physical keyboard, so the phone manufacturers are saving money by not including a physical keyboard and the associated mechanisms to include one on their phones.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Smooth@46:1/183 to metalhead on Sun Jun 4 11:31:38 2017
    On 06/03/17, metalhead inked down this thought...
    I love BBSs that offer fTelnet, because it's a nice concept to be able
    to BBS while on the go. But, I'd like to see BBSing retrofitted for the web in a more enjoyable way, some day.

    It would be cool if someone wrote a php script to handle Fidonet as networked internet forums - something that people could easily inject
    into their website. Then, everyone could just visit a website with their normal mobile browser (no extra app) and read/reply to messages in the
    BBS world.

    This can easily be done if and when more bbs systems transition the message bases to a more modern data repository like SQL or NO-SQL databases instead
    of the old binary JAM/SQUISH bases. It'll be so much easier for programmers
    who just pull data directly from SQL/NO-SQL databases to display directly to the web. We'll also have more flexibility of designing our interfaces then
    as well. Speed would also be much faster as we can use caching interfaces.

    |10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: .{* iNK!2 // bbs.inktwo.com \\ agoranet *}. (46:1/183)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 6 00:14:20 2017
    There's an actual fTelnet app for Android too, so you don't have to
    visit a BBS's web site.

    Wow! I just read the news on ftelnet.ca... I'm working on getting the app....

    I bet Rick Parrish rocked it.. better than all this other crap that doesn't work well.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From wkitty42@46:1/132 to metalhead on Fri Jun 9 17:45:06 2017
    On 05/06/17, metalhead said the following...

    much.. ;) Two weeks ago, I switched my complete ftn-setup from Mystic BinkD+Husky+GoldEd - that's my kick! ;)

    Sorry, I don't have a clue about what that means. Bink sounds like an ancient front end mailer, but I don't know about these terms!

    actually, binkd is pretty new... you are thinking of the old binkleyterm
    mailer which is from the frontdoor days... binkd is similar to binkleyterm in that it uses a text config file and the BSO outbound directory format...

    aside from that, binkd is just another dumb mailer... dumb as in not intelligent like frontdoor with its dynamic routing and packing of
    netmails... all that has to be done by your mail tosser and that's only done once whereas frontdoor does it all the time and even goes so far as to unpack already packed netmail to pack it for sending to a different system to follow another routing path if necessary...

    BSO stands for "binkley style outbound" and it basically a simple
    form of naming directories and files put into those directories...

    the last major thing about binkd is that it brings a new TCP/IP networking oriented protocol to the table... old POTS mailers may be shimmed to be able
    to handle telnet connections but that's generally it... binkd has its own protocol and rides beside the BBS instead of in front of it...

    hth ;)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.10 A57 (Windows)
    * Origin: (46:1/132)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to wkitty42 on Sun Jun 11 03:07:16 2017
    actually, binkd is pretty new... you are thinking of the old binkleyterm mailer which is from the frontdoor days... binkd is similar to

    That's the one! I experimented with Binkleyterm, FrontDoor, and D'Bridge when
    I was a kid. I never got any of that shit to work. The docs were really confusing to me at the time. Squish? Jam? Renemail? Ah, maybe just catch up on some BBS porn instead :)

    Luckily, I had an incredible unix-junkie co-sysop who was able to make all kinds of computer stuff happen for me.

    These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets under one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, but it's like a big empty warehouse now.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to metalhead on Sun Jun 11 17:54:24 2017

    Hello metalhead!

    11 Jun 17 03:07, you wrote to wkitty42:

    These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these
    nets under one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very

    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks.
    Othernets are where it's at.

    Shawn

    ... An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.
    --- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20160201
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From HusTler@46:1/700 to Tiny on Mon Jun 12 08:50:06 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Tiny to metalhead on Sun Jun 11 2017 05:54 pm

    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

    Shawn

    Most men have dicks you punkass little shit!

    ... The poor man. He's completely unspoiled by failure.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/700)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Metalhead on Mon Jun 12 12:26:26 2017
    On 11 Jun 17 03:07:17, Metalhead said the following to Wkitty42:

    These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets unde one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, but it' like a big empty warehouse now.

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Atreyu on Mon Jun 12 11:48:02 2017
    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Atreyu to Metalhead on Mon Jun 12 2017 12:26 pm

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    I don't look at FidoNet a whole lot, so I might not be very up on it. What was done to tarnish the reputation of FidoNet? Is it mainly that FidoNet is mostly grumpy people?

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Tiny on Tue Jun 13 00:02:46 2017
    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

    There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 00:11:42 2017
    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
    tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    Ok, so fuck Fido, but maybe everyone get together under a new title? It would simplify the BBS experience a little.

    I call Alco a lot, and the dude has all the nets, afaik, and probably most of the echos. But all these nets & echos seem like a pile of shit though,
    kinda..

    Each net has it's own "General Messages" type thing, I think they all have
    "BBS Discussion," "Ansi Geekly," etc...

    So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and I'm like "Sup liberals?"

    But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

    We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

    Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually
    let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

    Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Alcoholiday / Est. 1995 / alco.bbs.io (46:1/166)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 00:57:32 2017
    on 06/12/17, Atreyu said...

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
    tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting on anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely
    controversial. Hell, they used to shit on Tom Jennings because he talked
    about being gay in FidoNews, which rubbed bible beaters the wrong way.

    That generation is gone, and I don't know who's left other than russians, but
    I can't imagine it's improved much.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 00:58:18 2017
    on 06/13/17, metalhead said...

    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

    There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They
    have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, depending on
    the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 01:00:44 2017
    on 06/13/17, metalhead said...

    We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

    That would involve each party involved giving up their private fiefdom.
    That's not going to happen. You're better off trying to gather the eyeballs instead of trying to reduce the number of things for them to look at.

    Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

    Yes, because the success of Facebook and Twitter means no one will ever go to any other website ever. </sarcasm>

    Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a
    kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

    No, just a lack of understanding of what drives people to build and maintain networks in the first place. You're trying to use reason to solve a psychological problem.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 20:24:36 2017
    On 06/12/17, Atreyu pondered and said...

    These days, it seems like it would be better to just can all these nets one name, perhaps Fido. I know the original plan was very ambitious, bu like a big empty warehouse now.

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
    tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    For what it's worth as an Othernet operator I don't mind interacting with
    Fido and still support it, heck I'm a RC for my country in Fido parlance..
    but I have found some active members in that network are not that welcoming as I kinda hoped they could be to new names that pop up from time to time.

    So I agree that kind of behavior does little to engender a positive image to the network. While I do post in Fido from time to time I'm mostly focused on
    my Othernet and trying to help folks involved in that with their BBS
    interests.

    Its a dying network.

    There are certainly folks active in that network, and have been active for a long time, that have that view and espouse it from time to time. If you're someone new to the network and reading that it certainly does little to
    install confidence in the longevity of the community you just joined or the perceptions of the mindsets of those still active.


    Fun and games eh?

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 20:25:08 2017
    On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

    There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They
    have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-in, but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

    I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show now :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From Avon@46:3/203 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 20:28:56 2017
    On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

    I call Alco a lot, and the dude has all the nets, afaik, and probably
    most of the echos. But all these nets & echos seem like a pile of shit though, kinda..

    Each net has it's own "General Messages" type thing, I think they all
    have "BBS Discussion," "Ansi Geekly," etc...

    So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump
    to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and
    I'm like "Sup liberals?"

    Sounds like you're talking about fragmentation of a smaller pool of active message network participants across multiple networks.


    But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

    We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

    Then, the people who still cling on to their dying networks will eventually let them evaporate, and those who are into posting/replying messages will prevail.

    The Othernet I run I would not classify as dying. I think the answer does not lye in another network for the sake of it. It lyes in the echos and networks those still active choose to post in.

    Do you need some acid to think like this? I probably had too much as a
    kid and am now permanently fucked as a result. :(

    Hope not. :)

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | telnet://agency.bbs.geek.nz (46:3/203)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 13 09:01:58 2017
    On 12 Jun 17 11:48:03, Nightfox said the following to Atreyu:

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnish the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    I don't look at FidoNet a whole lot, so I might not be very up on it. What done to tarnish the reputation of FidoNet? Is it mainly that FidoNet is mos grumpy people?

    I wouldn't say its "grumpy people" but mostly folks that come from the days of mainframes, CP/M and 80's tech, who are now retired with nothing better to do with themselves. Some may have had management positions in their careers.

    When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would be the
    censorship.

    Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

    It was not too long ago that an entire echo was placed on "read only" status which then triggered a massive shift in the way echomail is distributed.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Metalhead on Tue Jun 13 09:06:00 2017
    On 13 Jun 17 00:11:43, Metalhead said the following to Atreyu:

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    Ok, so fuck Fido, but maybe everyone get together under a new title? It woul simplify the BBS experience a little.

    Operators of Othernets started their nets for a reason... a net of their own.

    We could largely replace all these nets with a net called something like "BBSnet: The legacy lives on!"

    I admire your enthusiasm, but the hobby is dying. Most people that join nets these days to get node numbers do so, because they decided to fire up their old board or try some new stuff like Mystic and see what its like. Not many end up staying for the long haul. I've seen MANY come and go over the
    years. Its like its all about reliving the nostalgia but its a fleeting moment.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Digital Avatar on Tue Jun 13 09:08:36 2017
    On 13 Jun 17 00:57:32, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting o anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely controversial. Hell, they used to shit on Tom Jennings because he talked about being gay in FidoNews, which rubbed bible beaters the wrong way.

    Exactly this. Its people who had successful careers in telecom and IT back in the 70's and 80's and now retired with nothing better to do. They came from positions of authority, so why not exert that authority on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censoring echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

    That generation is gone, and I don't know who's left other than russians, b I can't imagine it's improved much.

    The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious. They can't even route Netmail properly.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Mickey@46:1/186 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 10:13:40 2017
    On 06/13/17, metalhead considered the following...

    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.


    So funny. Way back (as I'm sure many will remember), in the 80's when I first set Fido up on my BBS (a verrrry complicated task), most of the verbal users appeared to be old men who were dicks. They seemed to like spouting the
    'rulez' of the echo constantly. Fidonet was busier, but there were more old dicks still alive then. After all these years, not sure if you can change it.

    <grin>

    Mick

    Central Ontario Remote BBS
    Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Central Ontario Remote (46:1/186)
  • From Nicholas Boel@46:1/100 to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 15:29:14 2017
    On 6/12/2017 11:11 PM, metalhead -> Atreyu wrote:

    So it's like I read Fidonet, and it's like "Sup old dudes?" Then I jump to Dorenet & it's like "Sup Dream Master?" then I jump to Agoranet and I'm like "Sup liberals?"

    But they all have about the same response: "Not much.."

    Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

    I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there were they would be preaching the other side of the argument just as much as you like
    to push your opinion on everyone. Your preaching has far outweighed anything I've seen in Agoranet since it's inception in 2012, politically. As a matter of
    fact, there wasn't much political discussion at all in this network before you started it what, about a year ago?

    Or do you just label people liberals because they don't agree with you 100% on your pro-Trump rants?

    Personally, I think both sides are corrupt, and have been for quite some time. If you want to label me a liberal because of that, it just continues to show the ignorance of the whole 'being on one side of the fence' mantra all the sheep like to follow.

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (46:1/100)
  • From tenser@46:1/104 to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 21:26:42 2017
    On 06/13/17, Atreyu said the following...

    Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or
    some other draconian action.

    Yeah, that always puzzled me. FidoNet seemed to be about control freaks exalting in exerting control over their little fiefdoms. It was a rude awakening for many of them when they started getting connected to the (much larger and far more advanced) Internet and doing things like picking up
    USENET news feeds. If you saw someone posting from an address that looked
    like it might be a BBS, you were wise to take anything posted with a large chunk of rock salt; it was likely to be technically wrong and probably annoyingly controlling. BBS system operators used to post on USENET telling people not to use curse words or whatever and then jaw at one another to just "get them blacklisted from their BBS." Trust me, among news admins and Unix systems people this was hilarious but really left a bad impression.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Avon on Wed Jun 14 00:10:38 2017
    on 06/13/17, Avon said...

    On 06/13/17, metalhead pondered and said...

    There's like 2 guys besides me who post in the political echos. They have a really longstanding conversation going on, and I try to butt-i but they are kinda stuck on each other. :)

    I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show
    now :)

    "So this is what FidoNet has come to?"
    "Don't you mean Fight-o-Net?"
    "OHHHH-HO-HO-HO-HO!"

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Atreyu on Wed Jun 14 00:13:02 2017
    on 06/13/17, Atreyu said...

    When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would be the censorship.

    Censorship is generally what drove the creation of Othernets, but there was other shit ... like RCs acting like petty tyrants and certain parties trying
    to shove IFNA down our collective throats.

    Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or
    some other draconian action.

    Fucking bibliolatrous christfags.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Atreyu on Wed Jun 14 00:15:10 2017
    on 06/13/17, Atreyu said...

    on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censoring echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

    Yeah. Nothing's changed, then. Same old dumb shit.

    I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

    The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious. They can't even route Netmail properly.

    ...how can you fuck up Netmail routing?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Mickey on Wed Jun 14 00:17:18 2017
    on 06/13/17, Mickey said...

    there were more old dicks still alive then. After all these years, not sure if you can change it.

    You can't, really. They just move on to Reddit and Wikipedia and pull the
    same rules lawyering crap they do everywhere else.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Mercyful Fate@46:1/140 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Jun 14 04:40:02 2017
    $ Nicholas Boel was quoted saying . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've
    mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

    I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there
    were they would be preaching the other side of the argument just as much
    as you like to push your opinion on everyone. Your preaching has far outweighed anything I've seen in Agoranet since it's inception in 2012, politically. As a matter of fact, there wasn't much political discussion
    at all in this network before you started it what, about a year ago?

    Or do you just label people liberals because they don't agree with you
    100% on your pro-Trump rants?

    Personally, I think both sides are corrupt, and have been for quite some time. If you want to label me a liberal because of that, it just continues
    to show the ignorance of the whole 'being on one side of the fence' mantra all the sheep like to follow.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ya, and i'm sure most of the ranting the label crap just turns everyone off, once people start spouting that shit then it's like why even bother replying.

    --- Enthral BBS v.700 (4.9.31-1-ARCH armv7l GNU/Linux)
    * Origin: haunting The chapel >>--> htc.zapto.org <--<< (46:1/140)
  • From Nicholas Boel@46:1/100 to Mercyful Fate on Wed Jun 14 16:05:46 2017
    On 6/14/2017 4:40 AM, Mercyful Fate -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Ya, and i'm sure most of the ranting the label crap just turns everyone off, once people start spouting that shit then it's like why even
    bother replying.

    Eeeeeeeexactly. ;)

    These days the people that rant like that are usually fairly impossible to give
    any other kind of opinion that doesn't magically match theirs 100% without getting into some kind of ridiculous argument that amounts to nothing anyways.

    That's usually when the name calling starts.

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Avon on Wed Jun 14 23:05:54 2017
    I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Show
    now :)

    They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

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  • From metalhead@46:1/166 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Jun 14 23:36:16 2017
    Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

    Most likely not, fuckface. Just because I'm not a Hillary supporter doesn't mean I'm stupid. Go fuck yourself.

    I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there

    There are. You're just way too ignorant to admit it. Go back a few messages. You didn't say shit until I said "What's up liberals?" So, you are the definition of the dick you're trying to paint me to look like.

    Fuck you Nicholas Boel. I will definitely stay the fuck out of Hillarynet
    from now on. You can go back to blackcocks.com and relax yourself.

    How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

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  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Tiny on Thu Jun 15 14:00:44 2017
    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

    This x 1000, sadly.

    I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99% of the douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From Mickey@46:1/186 to metalhead on Thu Jun 15 14:16:02 2017
    On 06/14/17, metalhead considered the following...

    They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(


    Statler and Waldorf. :-)

    Mick

    Central Ontario Remote BBS
    Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

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  • From Nicholas Boel@46:1/100 to metalhead on Thu Jun 15 16:09:56 2017
    On 6/14/2017 10:36 PM, metalhead -> Nicholas Boel wrote:
    Most likely you're asking the wrong questions (with the ones you've
    mentioned above), and people just don't care to respond to you.

    Most likely not, fuckface. Just because I'm not a Hillary supporter doesn't mean I'm stupid. Go fuck yourself.

    It doesn't matter who you support. Your drunken rants here have proved you can be pretty stupid at times.

    I'm not sure I know of any die-hard liberals in this network. If there

    There are. You're just way too ignorant to admit it. Go back a few messages. You didn't say shit until I said "What's up liberals?" So, you
    are the
    definition of the dick you're trying to paint me to look like.

    I said something because you start by labeling people you don't even know! Can you get that through your thick skull?

    Fuck you Nicholas Boel. I will definitely stay the fuck out of Hillarynet from now on. You can go back to blackcocks.com and relax yourself.

    If you're going to act like this, please do. At this point, nobody but yourself
    is looking stupid - which is most likely why you're not getting many replies.

    How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

    You say what you want to say, and when someone disagrees with you or has a different opinion, they get a message like this in return. Atta boy!

    Nobody is painting you, but yourself.

    --
    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Smooth@46:1/183 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Jun 15 20:06:26 2017
    On 06/14/17, Nicholas Boel inked down this thought...
    These days the people that rant like that are usually fairly impossible
    to give any other kind of opinion that doesn't magically match theirs
    100% without getting into some kind of ridiculous argument that amounts
    to nothing anyways.

    That's usually when the name calling starts.

    I agree totally with this. :D I just skim over those posts and move on to another more interesting read.

    |10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

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  • From Smooth@46:1/183 to metalhead on Thu Jun 15 20:08:00 2017
    On 06/14/17, metalhead inked down this thought...

    I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Sho now :)

    They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

    Their names were Statler and Waldorf, those two critics in the balcony seats
    at some theater.

    |10Smooth|07<|11ACiD|08.|11b7|07>

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  • From Avon@46:3/203 to Smooth on Fri Jun 16 19:18:20 2017
    On 06/15/17, Smooth pondered and said...

    I agree totally with this. :D I just skim over those posts and move on to another more interesting read.

    +1

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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Tenser on Fri Jun 16 12:16:26 2017
    On 13 Jun 17 21:26:43, Tenser said the following to Atreyu:

    Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into something where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

    Yeah, that always puzzled me. FidoNet seemed to be about control freaks exalting in exerting control over their little fiefdoms. It was a rude awakening for many of them when they started getting connected to the (much larger and far more advanced) Internet and doing things like picking up USENET news feeds. If you saw someone posting from an address that looked

    The control freaks still like to have their way in a few echoes. Especially the dead ones. Posting monthly "rules" in some vain attempt to keep things alive. For example, there are several BBS echoes that are just outright dead... but attempting to politely suggest a consolodation and you get flamed.

    A lot of the censorship mentality was along the lines of, well, you're a guest in my home so you better take your shoes off at the door ala no swearing, etc etc.

    I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

    Atreyu

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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 16 12:19:34 2017
    On 14 Jun 17 00:13:02, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

    When Fido began to grow by leaps & bounds, many bad politics began to surface and some feelings were hurt amongst some very technical people with the growing pains. But I think the biggest on the surface, would the censorship.

    Censorship is generally what drove the creation of Othernets, but there was other shit ... like RCs acting like petty tyrants and certain parties tryin to shove IFNA down our collective throats.

    Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whole zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from Australia who drew the ire of a major Fido hub to start censoring his posts as well.

    I'm only still part of Fido because a lot of people use software I develop, if it wasn't for that I would probably of left a long time ago.

    Its sad that something started by a gay anarchist turned into somethin where if you swear in an echo, you are threatened with a feed cut or some other draconian action.

    Fucking bibliolatrous christfags.

    I've had feed cut requests sent to me for downlinks of mine. Ask Tiny about that one and how that turned out, haha

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 16 12:20:48 2017
    On 14 Jun 17 00:15:11, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

    on this technology that they are a part of. A good example is censorin echoes or trying to "ban" users over perceived offensive messages.

    Yeah. Nothing's changed, then. Same old dumb shit.

    I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

    Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

    The Russians do it for shits & giggles mostly, nothing overtly serious They can't even route Netmail properly.

    ...how can you fuck up Netmail routing?

    That is what the Z2C of Fido tells me and I do not doubt his word...

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Metalhead on Fri Jun 16 12:21:44 2017
    On 14 Jun 17 23:36:17, Metalhead said the following to Nicholas Boel:

    How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

    Calm down, have some dip.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to G00R00 on Fri Jun 16 12:22:34 2017
    On 15 Jun 17 14:00:44, G00R00 said the following to Tiny:

    I would disagree with that... FIdonet is 95% old men who are dicks. Othernets are where it's at.

    This x 1000, sadly.

    I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99% of the douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

    I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Atreyu on Fri Jun 16 13:48:18 2017
    Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whole zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from

    If I am not mistaken, they did something like this to the MYSTIC echo a few years back, because some of us didn't agree with someone else's opinion.

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    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Atreyu on Fri Jun 16 13:49:20 2017
    I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99% of douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

    I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

    Thankfully, people like Nick (and several othernets too) give us a mostly sane and well managed place to go. It really helps to combat the frustration of the bat-shit Fido stuff that I've encountered in the past.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to g00r00 on Fri Jun 16 14:11:34 2017

    Hello g00r00!

    15 Jun 17 14:00, you wrote to me:

    I've considered just dropping FidoNet entirely recently, because 99%
    of the douche-baggery I have to deal with is sourced from Fido people.

    Don't blame you. But listen I once donated $5 to you, so I demand you port mystic to my commodore 64 and have it done in 3 days. Better be easy to install
    work out of the box and come with my ansi screens. EARN your money g00!!!!!!!

    Shawn

    P.S. I'm going to put my standard facebook disclaimer here. This is to be taken
    as a funny message, not as a serious one. While I know g00r00 will take it as such
    this disclaimer is for any new sysops who may not understand my humour.

    ... Golf is a walk, spoiled.
    --- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20160201
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to Atreyu on Fri Jun 16 14:15:50 2017

    Hello Atreyu!

    16 Jun 17 12:16, you wrote to Tenser:

    I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

    I jsut de listed all of the idiots echo's which is why you won't see me in dbridge echo anymore. I can't handle him showing me his penis all the time over
    nothing.

    Shawn


    ... All things being equal, a fat person uses more soap than a thin person.
    --- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20160201
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to Atreyu on Fri Jun 16 14:17:12 2017

    Hello Atreyu!

    16 Jun 17 12:19, you wrote to Digital Avatar:

    I've had feed cut requests sent to me for downlinks of mine. Ask Tiny about that one and how that turned out, haha

    I tell everyone who wants a fido connection to contact you. ;) While I've removed myself from his echo's, I know if I wanted I could just send a areafix message and be connected to the fun all over again. ;)

    Shawn


    ... Bosses come and bosses go, but a good secretary lasts forever.
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  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 16 13:22:12 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Digital Avatar to Atreyu on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:57 am

    FidoNet was always about control-freaks being control-freaks and shitting on anyone who wanted to have a conversation about anything remotely

    I had my old BBS in the 90s on FidoNet for its last couple of years, and for a little while I had an uplink who would get pissed at me when my BBS was busy too much when his called mine or some such.. I switched back to another uplink I had used before who was pretty cool about things. I thought it was rather silly. My current BBS is on FidoNet, and I haven't really had issues with my uplinks. I don't read FidoNet much though..

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 16 13:23:12 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Digital Avatar to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:58 am

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, depending on the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

    What I think is funny is that both parties have compared the other candidate to Hitler in some form. I tend to stay out of political conversations because they usually don't tend to go anywhere.

    Nightfox
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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to metalhead on Fri Jun 16 22:25:30 2017
    on 06/14/17, metalhead said...

    I have this view in my mind of those two old guys from the Muppet Sho now :)

    They are like those guys! And similarly, I can't recall their names :(

    Pretty sure I mentioned it already, but, Stadler & Waldorf. (Yeah,
    they're named after the hotels.)

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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Atreyu on Fri Jun 16 22:30:38 2017
    on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

    Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

    Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think he made some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loudmouth's documentary.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
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  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Nightfox on Fri Jun 16 22:36:18 2017
    on 06/16/17, Nightfox said...

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

    What I think is funny is that both parties have compared the other candidate to Hitler in some form. I tend to stay out of political conversations because they usually don't tend to go anywhere.

    At this point I only get involved to troll everyone involved, since generally everyone involved's a fucking moron who knows fuck all about their candidate, the issues, their background, political theory, anything requiring an IQ
    higher than their shoe size, etc. It's really easy to get them wound up and provides hours of entertainment.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
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  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to G00R00 on Fri Jun 16 22:54:18 2017
    On 16 Jun 17 13:48:19, G00R00 said the following to Atreyu:

    Yup, along with censoring an entire echo in 2010 if I recall for a whol zone as "read only" because they did not like the messages that were posted by one person. This also extended to another person from

    If I am not mistaken, they did something like this to the MYSTIC echo a few years back, because some of us didn't agree with someone else's opinion.

    Yup... and Fidonews...

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to G00R00 on Fri Jun 16 22:57:44 2017
    On 16 Jun 17 13:49:20, G00R00 said the following to Atreyu:

    I've contemplated the same thing and I've developed software for that stupid network over the years.

    Thankfully, people like Nick (and several othernets too) give us a mostly sa and well managed place to go. It really helps to combat the frustration of bat-shit Fido stuff that I've encountered in the past.

    Its not so much that I really mind dealing with the Fido crowd, its just
    that it eventually turns into such a douchefest. Its a culture clash or a language clash, or a I'll-fix-shit-whenever-I-feel-like-it clash.

    You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about how mailer software works.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Tiny on Fri Jun 16 22:58:50 2017
    On 16 Jun 17 14:15:50, Tiny said the following to Atreyu:

    I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

    I jsut de listed all of the idiots echo's which is why you won't see me in dbridge echo anymore. I can't handle him showing me his penis all the time over
    nothing.

    I hear ya... but its not as if any "real" action can be taken though...

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 16 22:59:58 2017
    On 16 Jun 17 22:30:38, Digital Avatar said the following to Atreyu:

    on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

    Probably long retired and amazed/baffled that Fido still exists...

    Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think he mad some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loudmouth documentary.

    Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

    Yes, I was disappointed the Toronto BBS scene did not get any coverage, and
    he completely and totally ignored the European demographic.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Atreyu on Sat Jun 17 06:27:00 2017
    Atreyu wrote to Metalhead <=-

    I strongly disagree as most operators of Othernets want nothing to do whatsoever with Fidonet. Some of the Fido crowd just completely
    tarnished the reputation beyond recovery. Its a dying network.

    I'd love to see a Fidonet culling - get rid of any echoes that haven't
    had postings in 3 years, and send a ping out to every board in the
    nodelist. Don't respond to three pings? Take them out of the nodelist.

    I'd hope that a Fidonet nodelist and echolist that accurately
    reflected active nodes and message areas would feel like a different
    place.





    ... Have you ever seen anything like this place?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: realitycheckbbs.org -- yesterday's tech today (46:1/115)
  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Mickey on Sat Jun 17 06:32:00 2017
    Mickey wrote to metalhead <=-

    So funny. Way back (as I'm sure many will remember), in the 80's when I first set Fido up on my BBS (a verrrry complicated task), most of the verbal users appeared to be old men who were dicks. They seemed to like spouting the 'rulez' of the echo constantly.


    One of my first Fido experiences was in '90, when the person
    responsible for bringing echomail into the region wanted the region to
    pay for a cost-recovery project to offset phone charges (plausible)
    and pay for a dedicated system and high-speed modem for him to use to
    download the echomail (less so)

    Back then there were hundreds of systems polling long-distance.

    It ended up causing quite a kerfluffle, with lots of threats of
    dropping echomail for the region.




    ... What do you think management's real interests are?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Digital Avatar on Sat Jun 17 06:35:00 2017
    Digital Avatar wrote to Atreyu <=-


    I wonder what Tom's doing these days...

    http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/about/resume.html





    ... Do you have access to your previous configuration?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
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  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Atreyu on Sat Jun 17 06:40:00 2017
    Atreyu wrote to Tenser <=-

    The control freaks still like to have their way in a few echoes. Especially the dead ones. Posting monthly "rules" in some vain attempt
    to keep things alive. For example, there are several BBS echoes that
    are just outright dead... but attempting to politely suggest a consolodation and you get flamed.


    You, too? :)


    I know for a fact some echoes are moderated by folks who like to keep things squeaky clean but behind the scenes they curse like sailors.

    There are moderators nowadays that appear to do so primarily to have
    the last word in any argument. When discussions start to not go their
    way or their behavior is questioned, they cut the discussion short,
    assert their power and force it to netmail. One in particular.



    ... You don't know what you are, do you?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: realitycheckbbs.org -- yesterday's tech today (46:1/115)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to Atreyu on Sat Jun 17 17:42:24 2017

    Hello Atreyu!

    16 Jun 17 22:57, you wrote to G00R00:

    Its not so much that I really mind dealing with the Fido crowd, its
    just that it eventually turns into such a douchefest. Its a culture
    clash or a language clash, or a I'll-fix-shit-whenever-I-feel-like-it clash.

    You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least
    for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my
    shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify
    things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about how mailer software works.

    Atreyu

    We don't like that kind of language STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!

    Notice I quoted the whole thing so you don't know what my problem with it is? LOL!

    Shawn


    ... Spaceballs: The Tagline
    --- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20160201
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From Tiny@46:1/126 to Atreyu on Sat Jun 17 17:43:22 2017

    Hello Atreyu!

    16 Jun 17 22:58, you wrote to me:

    I hear ya... but its not as if any "real" action can be taken
    though...

    Nope... If I was on speaking terms to the queen bee I'd register a new D'Bridge support echo.

    Shawn


    ... Its not the size of the ship, its the size of the waves.
    --- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20160201
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - tinysbbs.com (46:1/126)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Atreyu on Sun Jun 18 00:44:38 2017
    on 06/16/17, Atreyu said...

    Hmm. Per Wikipedia...working at UC Irvine and Calarts. Yeah, I think h some comment about being baffled it was still around in a certain loud documentary.

    Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

    Is there another loudmouth who did a BBS documentary?

    Yes, I was disappointed the Toronto BBS scene did not get any coverage, and he completely and totally ignored the European demographic.

    He ignored a lot of things. The final product basically reduced to "here are people I'm friends with plus some randoms". It's not terrible, but there's certainly room for improvement.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Poindexter Fortran on Sun Jun 18 00:46:24 2017
    on 06/17/17, Poindexter Fortran said...

    I'd love to see a Fidonet culling - get rid of any echoes that haven't
    had postings in 3 years, and send a ping out to every board in the nodelist. Don't respond to three pings? Take them out of the nodelist.

    You'd think that would be standard practice. I mean, to even get on the nodelist you had to have your system configured and ready to poll and you weren't getting in until it was done. I don't know if it's still that way,
    but it should be.

    Echomail shouldn't be any different... but, again, control-freaks.

    I'd hope that a Fidonet nodelist and echolist that accurately
    reflected active nodes and message areas would feel like a different place.

    It wouldn't. The problem is the people who are in control. They're the ones that make it miserable.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Atreyu on Sun Jun 18 01:51:30 2017
    You're lucky because people who run your shit are cool.... at least for the most part. They get that its BBS software and it can do cool things. You get the odd weiner here and there. Most people running my shit are old-timers. I have to be VERY careful with how I clarify things, or not getting baited by trolls who like to think they know everything about
    how mailer software works.

    I agree for the most part my community is pretty great! :)

    I can promise you I got those people too at one time, and it sucks that you have to deal with that on a more "full time" basis. They aren't bothering me at the moment, but up until about a year ago or so they were around...

    These are people who have no desire to use Mystic at all, just old time Fido people being douches. Shitty e-mails, trying to cut off the MYSTIC echo across the world, a small group who multiple times have tried to push for all Mystic systems to be banned from FidoNet entirely.

    I think of it as the FidoNet version of old men screaming "get off my lawn"

    Not to say that Mystic didn't have its problems in the beginning, but none of it was destroying the network or even close to it, and none of it justifies the way some people behaved.

    Anyway, these days Mystic is a pretty solid echomail hub and I think that is why some people have calmed down. The fsxNet hub has grown to over 120 active links and its 100% powered by Mystic; most changes I make now are because something in another piece of software is doing something wrong.

    There are those of us out here who appreciate what you do and your positive attitude. I'm sure you don't hear it from us enough, but try to remember that we are out here when douchebags get to you! Easier said than done, I know. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Digital Avatar on Mon Jun 19 12:28:02 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Digital Avatar to Atreyu on Sun Jun 18 2017 12:44 am

    Ahhhh... would that be Jason Scott?

    He ignored a lot of things. The final product basically reduced to "here are people I'm friends with plus some randoms". It's not terrible, but there's certainly room for improvement.

    I thought he captured the spirit of the BBS world back then, at least from what I remember. If he ignored some things, perhaps that's not what he was going for.. But that said, it would have been interesting to see more.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Orbitman@46:1/138 to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 18:16:54 2017
    On 06/16/17, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Digital Avatar to metalhead on Tue Jun 13 2017 12:58 am

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good start.

    +1

    Thanks!
    Orbitman
    telnet://orbitbbs.ddns.net
    Opp, Alabama, USA

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Linux)
    * Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL USA/orbitbbs.ddns.net (46:1/138)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Orbitman on Tue Jun 20 09:17:58 2017
    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler,
    dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good
    start.

    +1

    Thanks!

    You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 13:29:02 2017
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Tue Jun 20 2017 09:17:58, Nightfox wrote to Orbitman:

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is
    Hitler,
    dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a
    good
    start.

    +1

    Thanks!

    You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

    It looks like he replied to a message DA previously wrote, and you quoted. So in all reality he's quoting something you already quoted, which might confuse some as to who originally wrote it.

    Hint: Notice the double quote above. The only reason that happened was because he didn't quote the original message, but instead, quoted DA's original post quoted by your reply. ;)

    Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in this case, he did in fact
    quote you (well, your quote anyway).

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Accession on Tue Jun 20 12:37:46 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2017 01:29 pm

    Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in this case, he did in fact quote you (well, your quote anyway).

    True, but the part of the message (text-wise) that he was replying to wasn't mine (as in I didn't write it). I figured it would make more sense to reply directly to the person who originally wrote what is being quoted. :)

    If I see a quote that I might want to add to, sometimes I'll go back and find the original message with that content so I can reply to the correct person (quoting their quote, rather than someone else's quote when they quoted that person). :)

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 15:15:58 2017
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Tue Jun 20 2017 12:37:46, Nightfox wrote to Accession:

    Most software by doing that you would have to manually change the
    TO field to who you're actually addressing the message to, but in
    this case, he did in fact quote you (well, your quote anyway).

    True, but the part of the message (text-wise) that he was replying to wasn't mine (as in I didn't write it). I figured it would make more
    sense to reply directly to the person who originally wrote what is
    being quoted. :)

    Yep, understood. However it did have the original author's initials (albeit after yours, showing that you quoted it as well). I was just making sure you were aware that whatever software was used was actually okay, it was just a matter of replying to a reply, which usually doesn't happen.

    If I see a quote that I might want to add to, sometimes I'll go back
    and find the original message with that content so I can reply to the correct person (quoting their quote, rather than someone else's quote
    when they quoted that person). :)

    Same, but some people just hit the reply button on the current message rather than going back. As long as the software somehow displays who originally wrote it, it's still able to be figured out.

    If you notice, though.. this is why we went through the whole ordeal of the quoting initials. Had I done that with Golded or Slyedit, it *should* have displayed without your initials, and a double ">" after the original poster's (ie: DA>>). Right?

    Man, did we just make this topic confusing as all get out. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Orbitman@46:1/138 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 17:46:40 2017
    On 06/20/17, Nightfox said the following...

    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, DA>> dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good DA>> start.

    +1

    Thanks!

    You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

    Sorry about that.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Linux)
    * Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL USA/orbitbbs.ddns.net (46:1/138)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to Accession on Tue Jun 20 16:44:48 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2017 03:15 pm

    Yep, understood. However it did have the original author's initials (albeit after yours, showing that you quoted it as well). I was just making sure you were aware that whatever software was used was actually okay, it was just a matter of replying to a reply, which usually doesn't happen.

    Yes, I understand. :)

    If you notice, though.. this is why we went through the whole ordeal of the quoting initials. Had I done that with Golded or Slyedit, it *should* have displayed without your initials, and a double ">" after the original poster's (ie: DA>>). Right?

    Yep - It's good that the initials are there in cases like this. I just like to let people know if they reply to the wrong person, because if someone scans for messages to them, they wouldn't get their reply because it was addressed to me. So they might not see it, unless they scan for all new messages and read through them all.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From xfdrak@46:1/700 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 18:52:34 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Nightfox to Accession on Tue Jun 20 2017 12:37 pm

    It is confusing for people who use threaded web pages to come into a BBS and understand the workings. Heck, I used BBSes in the 80s and 90s rather frequently and still don't remember everything.

    ... No one can feel as helpless as the owner of a sick goldfish.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/700)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 23:43:56 2017
    on 06/20/17, Nightfox said...

    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Orbitman to Nightfox on Mon Jun 19 2017 06:16 pm

    Just tell them you think Trump is Hitler, or Obama is Hitler, DA>> dependi the orientation of the parties involved. That's a good DA>> start.

    +1

    Thanks!

    You replied to me, but the person you were quoting was not me.

    We all look alike anyway.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Accession on Tue Jun 20 23:45:36 2017
    on 06/20/17, Accession said...

    Man, did we just make this topic confusing as all get out. ;)

    For some reason I am reminded of a scene from Fight Club:

    "WOAH! WOAH! ... ... ... OK. You are now firing a gun at your imaginary
    friend near FOUR HUNDRED GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"

    Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to xfdrak on Wed Jun 21 19:22:02 2017
    Hello xfdrak,

    On Tue Jun 20 2017 18:52:34, xfdrak wrote to Nightfox:

    It is confusing for people who use threaded web pages to come into a
    BBS and understand the workings. Heck, I used BBSes in the 80s and 90s rather frequently and still don't remember everything.

    No worries, you'll get it all figured out again in no time. For instance, here's one bit of advice.. Try "/q" without quotes on a single line to quote the text you're replying to.

    BBSs are a little more manual, where a threaded web page would probably automatically quote the text for you, here you sometimes have to invoke it yourself.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Digital Avatar on Wed Jun 21 19:24:06 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Tue Jun 20 2017 23:45:36, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

    For some reason I am reminded of a scene from Fight Club:

    "WOAH! WOAH! ... ... ... OK. You are now firing a gun at your
    imaginary friend near FOUR HUNDRED GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"

    ;)

    Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

    What was the point again?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From Orbitman@46:1/138 to Digital Avatar on Wed Jun 21 19:51:40 2017
    On 06/20/17, Digital Avatar said the following...

    We all look alike anyway.

    Heheheheheheh....yep!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Linux)
    * Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL USA/orbitbbs.ddns.net (46:1/138)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Accession on Thu Jun 22 03:42:20 2017
    on 06/21/17, Accession said...

    Suffice it to say I think we may be straying a bit from the point.

    What was the point again?

    It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Nightfox@46:1/150 to xfdrak on Thu Jun 22 12:24:14 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Accession to xfdrak on Wed Jun 21 2017 07:22 pm

    here's one bit of advice.. Try "/q" without quotes on a single line to quote the text you're replying to.

    Ctrl-Q also works for opening the quote window to quote text.

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com (46:1/150)
  • From Accession@46:1/100 to Digital Avatar on Thu Jun 22 15:17:20 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jun 22 2017 03:42:20, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

    What was the point again?

    It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

    Agreed 100%.

    You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and taken some
    time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (46:1/100)
  • From HusTler@46:1/700 to Atreyu on Thu Jun 22 21:11:40 2017
    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Atreyu to Metalhead on Fri Jun 16 2017 12:21 pm

    On 14 Jun 17 23:36:17, Metalhead said the following to Nicholas Boel:

    How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

    Calm down, have some dip.

    Atreyu

    What's all the dickshit about?

    ... Reality is for people who can't cope with their drugs.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/700)
  • From Orbitman@46:1/138 to Accession on Thu Jun 22 17:53:40 2017
    On 06/22/17, Accession said the following...

    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jun 22 2017 03:42:20, Digital Avatar wrote to Accession:

    What was the point again?

    It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

    Agreed 100%.

    You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and
    taken some time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(


    Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WANT.

    Thanks!
    Orbitman
    telnet://orbitbbs.ddns.net
    Opp, Alabama, USA

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Linux)
    * Origin: Orbit BBS-Opp, AL USA/orbitbbs.ddns.net (46:1/138)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Accession on Fri Jun 23 00:27:54 2017
    on 06/22/17, Accession said...

    You'd think they would have overheard someone saying that by now and
    taken some time to really let it soak in, but no.. there's even more of them now wearing brighter colors than ever. ;(

    They love the negative attention. They're attention whores.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From g00r00@46:1/127 to Orbitman on Fri Jun 23 08:38:50 2017
    Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WANT.

    I think this applies to plenty of dudes too. Ever see those guys walking around with the bottom of their gut hanging out, or even more common are the guys whose ass cracks are constantly hanging out.

    They're probably the husbands of the overweight chicks in spandex lol

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (46:1/127)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Hustler on Fri Jun 23 09:13:22 2017
    On 22 Jun 17 21:11:41, Hustler said the following to Atreyu:

    How am I forcing my opinion on people? Suck another dick, fucker.

    Calm down, have some dip.

    What's all the dickshit about?

    Not sure, Metalhead reached his melting point.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From xfdrak@46:1/700 to g00r00 on Sun Jun 25 17:25:24 2017
    Re: BBS Discussion
    By: g00r00 to Orbitman on Fri Jun 23 2017 08:38 am

    I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's got some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I wanna get some. The nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!

    Apologies,eh?

    ... Frank Beard is the only member of ZZ Top without a beard.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/700)
  • From Mickey@46:1/186 to xfdrak on Sun Jun 25 21:39:42 2017
    On 06/25/17, xfdrak considered the following...

    I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's got some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I
    wanna get some. The nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!


    Can I use this?

    Mickey

    Central Ontario Remote BBS
    Telnet: oxfordmi.synchro.net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Central Ontario Remote (46:1/186)
  • From Atreyu@46:1/109 to Xfdrak on Mon Jun 26 17:14:38 2017
    On 25 Jun 17 17:25:24, Xfdrak said the following to G00R00:

    I like big butts and I cannot lie. Big floppy boobs get me high. When she's some smarts and some jiggly parts, I get sprung. Ya know I wanna get some. T nerdier the better especially in a tight sweater!

    In 1995 a user of my board decided to have a BBQ party at her house and invited all of her friends. I was invited along with a couple of other users but as bad luck usually goes, they decided to no-show the party.

    Her friends being hot and attractive... while the user in question, was not.

    When I was introduced to everyone there, oh heres the guy that runs this "thing" called a "BBS" and like, you can totally call and like talk to other people?

    I didn't stay long, it was Clueless acted in person.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (46:1/109)
  • From xfdrak@46:1/700 to Mickey on Mon Jun 26 21:53:28 2017
    Re: Re: BBS Discussion
    By: Mickey to xfdrak on Sun Jun 25 2017 09:39 pm

    Feel free
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Linux
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (46:1/700)
  • From Darkwing@46:1/104 to Digital Avatar on Sun Jun 25 01:05:06 2017
    It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

    I'd rather she be wearing spandex and jogging, than laying on the couch watching TV wearing not-spandex =)

    ...darkwing!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Darkwing@46:1/104 to g00r00 on Sun Jun 25 01:11:22 2017
    Yep! They should dress for the body they HAVE, not the body they WAN
    I think this applies to plenty of dudes too. Ever see those guys walking around with the bottom of their gut hanging out, or even more common are the guys whose ass cracks are constantly hanging out.

    You totally forgot the dudes who decided to go jogging with their shirts off and, yeah, they prolly shouldn't do that haha. Living in AZ, I see that plus plenty of peeps that think they are in awesome enough shape to go for a jog outside at 1pm when it's 100+ out. Sorry, if you're that pasty white, there's no way you're used to doing that buddy hehe.

    ...darkwing!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: ACiD Telnet HQ / blackflag.acid.org (46:1/104)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Darkwing on Fri Jun 30 00:00:00 2017
    on 06/25/17, Darkwing said...

    It should be illegal for fat chicks to wear spandex.

    I'd rather she be wearing spandex and jogging, than laying on the couch watching TV wearing not-spandex =)

    PROTIP: There are no fat chicks wearing spandex AND jogging, or at least not long enough to do any good.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)
  • From Poindexter Fortran@46:1/115 to Digital Avatar on Fri Jun 30 14:08:00 2017
    Digital Avatar wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    You'd think that would be standard practice. I mean, to even get on the nodelist you had to have your system configured and ready to poll and
    you weren't getting in until it was done. I don't know if it's still
    that way, but it should be.


    It used to be that way, it was up to the prospective sysop to figure
    out where to poll by looking at a nodelist, set a dummy address and
    crashmail your app to your regional coordinator. It served as a
    nice litmus test.

    I have people who email me an application, get a node number and take
    3 months to poll.



    ... Have you ever asked a question you weren't supposed to ask?
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: realitycheckbbs.org -- yesterday's tech today (46:1/115)
  • From Digital Avatar@46:1/145 to Poindexter Fortran on Mon Jul 10 23:10:12 2017
    on 06/30/17, Poindexter Fortran said...

    It used to be that way, it was up to the prospective sysop to figure
    out where to poll by looking at a nodelist, set a dummy address and crashmail your app to your regional coordinator. It served as a
    nice litmus test.

    I have people who email me an application, get a node number and take
    3 months to poll.

    Yeah, clearly things need to go back to the tried and true method ...
    including "if you don't poll after X amount of time, you get delisted".

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A27 (Windows)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (46:1/145)