Hi,

I've found a couple of QWK mail offline readers for Mac OS but they are
old shareware/crippleware with contact info that is now defunct. The
two programs are Alice and TIMM.

Does anyone else use them and have a serial or even better, current
author contact info?

Cheers,
Otto

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Otto Reverse wrote to All <=-

I've found a couple of QWK mail offline readers for Mac OS but
they are old shareware/crippleware with contact info that is now
defunct. The two programs are Alice and TIMM.

Does anyone else use them and have a serial or even better,
current author contact info?

I don't use a Mac, but the best current QWK reader that I know of (and
use) is called MultiMail. It has a Mac version.

https://wmcbrine.com/MultiMail/



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I've found a couple of QWK mail offline readers for Mac OS but they are old shareware/crippleware with contact info that is now defunct. The

Also not a Mac man myself, but I'll check in with the Mac Man and see if he remembers anything.

Spec


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I don't use a Mac, but the best current QWK reader that I know of
(and use) is called MultiMail. It has a Mac version.

Yes I've used that. But it is for newer versions of OS X. I'm looking
for something to run on older pre-OS X Mac OS. There's a couple out
there I've found but they are crippleware and of course the authors
aren't around anymore (that I can find any).

Cheers,
Otto

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I've found a couple of QWK mail offline readers for Mac OS but they are old shareware/crippleware with contact info that is now defunct. The
two programs are Alice and TIMM.

The only pointers I got was either Multimail, or Alice. What version have
you seen? I was sent this info.

Abstracts from files in info-mac/comm/bbs as of Sun 20 Mar 2005
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:11:04 -0500
--========================_20981948==_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
If you need just the Alice 2.4 -> 2.4.2 update, download the update file instead of this archive.
This release of Alice includes new documentation and numerous PICTs
detailing BlueWave, .XRS, and .QWK offline FidoNet setups. This archive is
the *complete* Alice 2.4.2 release, with T2, and a separate guide on using Charon or F1 with Alice.
Alice can function either as an offline .QWK, .XRS, or BlueWave FidoNet
mail reader, or Alice may be combined with Charon and ZipIt to form a
seamless FidoNet point setup for the Macintosh platform. Alice is
shareware


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The only pointers I got was either Multimail, or Alice. What version
have you seen? I was sent this info.

Thanks. Multimail is OS X only. I have Alice (version 2.4.4) but it
needs registration.

Cheers,
Otto

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Re: QWK Reader for Mac OS (pre-OS X)
By: Otto Reverse to Spectre on Tue Nov 22 2022 05:49 am

Multimail is OS X only.

I thought it was also available for Windows and other platforms.. I looked it up online and I see downloads here for MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows, and Mac OS:
https://wmcbrine.com/MultiMail/

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Multimail is OS X only.

I thought it was also available for Windows and other platforms.. I looked it up online and I see downloads here for MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows, and Mac OS: https://wmcbrine.com/MultiMail/

Nightfox

I use Multimail on Win11 with no issues what so ever.

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Thanks. Multimail is OS X only. I have Alice (version 2.4.4) but it needs registration.

I s'pose that begs the question, what does reg get you with alice? Is it crippled or does it expire without it? Or does it mostly function and get you some bonus features?

Spec


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I thought it was also available for Windows and other platforms.. I looked it up online and I see downloads here for MS-DOS, OS/2, Windows, and Mac OS: https://wmcbrine.com/MultiMail/

I believe they were referring to it only workong on OS X version of Mac OS, and not an older Apple/Mac
operating system.


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Multimail is OS X only.

I thought it was also available for Windows and other platforms.. I
looked it up online and I see downloads here for MS-DOS, OS/2,
Windows, and Mac OS: https://wmcbrine.com/MultiMail/

Yes it is. But in the context of Macs it is only available for OS X and
I am looking for something for Mac OS 7.5 - 9.2.

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Thanks. Multimail is OS X only. I have Alice (version 2.4.4)

but it OR> needs registration.
I s'pose that begs the question, what does reg get you with alice? Is
it crippled or does it expire without it? Or does it mostly function
and get you some bonus features?

Spec

That's a good question. TIMM is clear, it starts to cripple important features. But the Alice doc just says you have to register in 30 days.
It doesn't say what, if anything, happens after 30 days. I guess I will
find out!

Cheers,
Otto

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On Friday, November 18th Otto Reverse said...

I've found a couple of QWK mail offline readers for Mac OS but they are old shareware/crippleware with contact info that is now defunct. The two programs are Alice and TIMM.

If you find some good ones to try out, I'd *love* if you were to test out the QWK export on Xibalba BBS. I have a few clients for Windows and DOS that I've tested, but have not tested anything on Mac.



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features. But the Alice doc just says you have to register in 30 days.
It doesn't say what, if anything, happens after 30 days. I guess I will find out!

In dem good ol' days, a lot of shareware didn't cripple, it just gave you a time frame and then relied on your good graces to pay the fee. On a slightly different note, often early versions of the same software wouldn't be
crippled although it may not be quite as fully featured. So if E looks good
but becomes crippled it might be worth looking at a few versions earlier.

Just for fun, no idea if you've seen this...

https://www.applefritter.com/search/node/qwk

But it does have a few other readers in its list.

Spec


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If you find some good ones to try out, I'd *love* if you were to test
out the QWK export on Xibalba BBS. I have a few clients for Windows
and DOS that I've tested, but have not tested anything on Mac.

Can do.

Cheers,
Otto

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In dem good ol' days, a lot of shareware didn't cripple, it just gave
you a time frame and then relied on your good graces to pay the fee.
On a slightly different note, often early versions of the same
software wouldn't be crippled although it may not be quite as fully featured. So if E looks good but becomes crippled it might be worth
looking at a few versions earlier.
Just for fun, no idea if you've seen this...

https://www.applefritter.com/search/node/qwk

But it does have a few other readers in its list.

Good idea, and fantastic link. Thank you.

Cheers,
Otto

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On Thursday, November 24th NuSkooler was heard saying...

If you find some good ones to try out, I'd *love* if you were to test out the QWK export on Xibalba BBS. I have a few clients for Windows and DOS that I've tested, but have not tested anything on Mac.

So I can't download a QWK packet. It fails during the "building qwk packet" phase and it seems to fail at the same spot. I tried first on my old Mac then on a PC with NetRunner. As it is going through the various areas, when it reaches:

Test New Node (478 / 501)

the connection is immediately terminated.


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On Saturday, November 26th Otto Reverse said...

So I can't download a QWK packet. It fails during the "building qwk packet" phase and it seems to fail at the same spot. I tried first on my old Mac then on a PC with NetRunner. As it is going through the various areas, when it reaches:
Test New Node (478 / 501)
the connection is immediately terminated.

Thank you, I really appreciate it! I've got a stack to go along with this... Hope to push up a patch in just a bit ;)



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the connection is immediately terminated.

Thank you, I really appreciate it! I've got a stack to go along with
this... Hope to push up a patch in just a bit ;)

No problem. Give me a shout when you want it tested again.

Cheers,
Otto

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Twas Sunday, November 27th when Otto Reverse said...

No problem. Give me a shout when you want it tested again.

Fix has been pushed, hopefully you can actually download the things now :D


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Fix has been pushed, hopefully you can actually download the things
now :D

Works with no problems. One suggestion though, the packet name was odd
and looked random. It should be something like xibalba.qwk and not
change each session as many (most?) qwk readers get set up to look for a specific filename per BBS.

Cheers,
Otto

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On Tuesday, November 29th Otto Reverse muttered...

Works with no problems. One suggestion though, the packet name was odd and looked random. It should be something like xibalba.qwk and not change each session as many (most?) qwk readers get set up to look for a specific filename per BBS.

Awesome, thank you again for testing it out!

A more reasonable filename makes sense. I need to go back and check my notes/etc. to see why I did that?! :D




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|08 ■ |03ENiGMA 1/2 WHQ |08| |03Phenom |08| |0367 |08| |03iMPURE |08| |03ACiDic
--- ENiGMA 1/2 v0.0.13-beta (linux; x64; 16.16.0)
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A more reasonable filename makes sense. I need to go back and check my notes/etc. to see why I did that?! :D

Theres the remote chance its the default. Most software comes with some kind
of default for packet names. Some make more sense than others.

Spec


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