• MetroNet

    From Exodus@25:25/0 to All on Sat May 21 14:26:26 2022
    Since people don't like to check their BBS to see if they get mail. I'll post here. I CANNOT poll you to send mail. There are some boards that haven't gotten mail in 2 weeks. I will begin removing nodes for not pickup mail after 3 weeks. Check your setups. If it's some stupid Mystic problem (as it ALWAYS is) ... find another software for FidoNet stuff, because aparently Mystic has no idea how to do this correctly.

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  • From Mro@25:25/0 to Exodus on Sat May 21 15:17:29 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Exodus |03to |11All
    |03on |1121 May 22 14:26|03.

    Since people don't like to check their BBS to see if they get mail. I' post here. I CANNOT poll you to send mail. There are some boards that haven't gotten mail in 2 weeks. I will begin removing nodes for not picku mail after 3 weeks. Check your setups. If it's some stupid Mystic problem (as it ALWAYS is) ... find another software for FidoNet stuff, because aparently Mystic has no idea how to do this correctly.



    if they aren't getting mail how will they see this?

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Mro on Sat May 21 15:47:19 2022

    if they aren't getting mail how will they see this?

    Because they read it on other boards.

    ... If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards.

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  • From David Smith@25:25/30 to Mro on Sat May 21 16:42:14 2022
    if they aren't getting mail how will they see this?


    Good Point! My system was deleting my packets without even processing them. I had to add a command before my file toss to copy the messages from my echomail\in\unsecure folder to the echomail\in before the filetoss. Not the best way to do it but for now it seems to work.

    I'm connected to a number of different systems/platforms never had this issue before. Seems like not having a BinkP password is whats giving Mystic fits.

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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Exodus on Sun May 22 16:14:54 2022
    Re: MetroNet
    By: Exodus to All on Sat May 21 2022 02:26 pm

    Since people don't like to check their BBS to see if they get mail. I'll post here. I CANNOT poll you to send mail.

    Why?


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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Deon on Sun May 22 11:49:41 2022
    Why?

    My IREX only supports so many nodes to poll out. And it's at MAX. Plus for a hub to crash everything is kinda ridiculus.

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  • From Mro@25:25/0 to Exodus on Sun May 22 17:54:54 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Exodus |03to |11Mro
    |03on |1121 May 22 15:47|03.


    if they aren't getting mail how will they see this?

    Because they read it on other boards.



    i thought you said they're not polling you

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  • From Mro@25:25/0 to David Smith on Sun May 22 17:56:14 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11David Smith |03to |11Mro
    |03on |1121 May 22 16:42:14|03.

    if they aren't getting mail how will they see this?


    Good Point! My system was deleting my packets without even processing them had to add a command before my file toss to copy the messages from my echomail\in\unsecure folder to the echomail\in before the filetoss. Not th best way to do it but for now it seems to work.

    I'm connected to a number of different systems/platforms never had this is before. Seems like not having a BinkP password is whats giving Mystic fits



    with bbs stuff, sometimes stuff just breaks. or you might break something.
    or an upgrade changes something.

    i had all of these things happen recently and my msg networks got borked.

    also doorgames break randomly. that's why i backup all the time.

    bbsing is a rough life!

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Mro on Sun May 22 19:35:29 2022
    i thought you said they're not polling you

    It's not ALL boards, just a select few.

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  • From Shitty@25:25/10 to Exodus on Mon May 23 01:49:33 2022
    i thought you said they're not polling you

    It's not ALL boards, just a select few.

    I'm getting all the messages from this thread. As long as I'm downloading and reading echomail, my BBS is doing ok?

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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Exodus on Mon May 23 14:35:03 2022
    Re: Re: MetroNet
    By: Exodus to Deon on Sun May 22 2022 11:49 am

    Why?

    My IREX only supports so many nodes to poll out. And it's at MAX. Plus for a hub to crash everything is kinda ridiculus.

    I dont agree with your last point - but understand your issue. If you want to add a "hub" that can offload some work (and even crash mail to those that want it) - then happy to help out...

    I'm curious what is the "max" for IREX?


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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Shitty on Mon May 23 06:01:32 2022
    I'm getting all the messages from this thread. As long as I'm downloading a reading echomail, my BBS is doing ok?

    Yup, you're fine. :)

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Deon on Mon May 23 06:02:10 2022
    I'm curious what is the "max" for IREX?

    2 in unreg'd. 50 in reg'd.

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Deon on Mon May 23 06:54:25 2022
    On 23 May 22 14:35:03, Deon said the following to Exodus:

    My IREX only supports so many nodes to poll out. And it's at MAX. Plus
    for a hub to crash everything is kinda ridiculus.

    I dont agree with your last point - but understand your issue. If you want t add a "hub" that can offload some work (and even crash mail to those that wa it) - then happy to help out...

    Maybe its a preference of the Hub. Maybe you enjoy playing the role of mailman. But I discovered 25 years ago how inefficient "Crash" really is.

    The unfortunate frustration is encountering far too many Sysops all wanting feeds and telling me the same stories. I miss my old board, I'm a longtime Sysop, I'm glad to be back and I'm back "for good", if you need a Hub I'll
    help out, my board runs on a VM in some cloud, I'll never vanish, etc etc.

    A month or so later when they don't get any callers to their stock boards, they disappear.

    Then theres those who love to "experiment" - they have no idea what they're doing so sometimes their mailer works, sometimes not. Sometimes theres
    those who don't run things 24/7, they take their board down randomly.

    Now multiply this by over a hundred downlinks and it gets a little inefficient to have my mailer calling out to about, on average, a quarter to half of them being really "down" at any random moment whenever I look at the console.

    So I tell everyone that all mail is placed in Hold for you to poll here whenever you can. Whether you poll every minute, every day, every week, every month. I don't care. But I'm not calling you.

    I can also run a script that can very easily tell me who has not polled
    here in X amount of days or has mail piling-up...

    Atreyu

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  • From Mro@25:25/0 to Atreyu on Mon May 23 16:03:54 2022

    The unfortunate frustration is encountering far too many Sysops all wanting feeds and telling me the same stories. I miss my old board, I'm a longtime Sysop, I'm glad to be back and I'm back "for good", if you need a Hub I'll help out, my board runs on a VM in some cloud, I'll never vanish, etc etc.

    A month or so later when they don't get any callers to their stock boards, they disappear.

    Then theres those who love to "experiment" - they have no idea what they're doing so sometimes their mailer works, sometimes not. Sometimes theres
    those who don't run things 24/7, they take their board down randomly.

    Now multiply this by over a hundred downlinks and it gets a little ineffici to have my mailer calling out to about, on average, a quarter to half of th being really "down" at any random moment whenever I look at the console.


    man you are soooo negative!!

    mr negative!


    just kidding that what people call me when i state the obvious and don't ignore the BS

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  • From Roon@25:25/27 to Atreyu on Wed May 25 00:39:34 2022
    Hello Atreyu,

    23 May 22 06:54, you wrote to Deon:

    On 23 May 22 14:35:03, Deon said the following to Exodus:

    My IREX only supports so many nodes to poll out. And it's at MAX.
    Plus
    for a hub to crash everything is kinda ridiculus.

    I dont agree with your last point - but understand your issue. If
    you want t add a "hub" that can offload some work (and even crash
    mail to those that wa it) - then happy to help out...

    Maybe its a preference of the Hub. Maybe you enjoy playing the role of mailman. But I discovered 25 years ago how inefficient "Crash" really
    is.

    The unfortunate frustration is encountering far too many Sysops all
    wanting feeds and telling me the same stories. I miss my old board,
    I'm a longtime Sysop, I'm glad to be back and I'm back "for good", if
    you need a Hub I'll help out, my board runs on a VM in some cloud,
    I'll never vanish, etc etc.

    A month or so later when they don't get any callers to their stock
    boards, they disappear.

    Then theres those who love to "experiment" - they have no idea what
    they're doing so sometimes their mailer works, sometimes not.
    Sometimes theres
    those who don't run things 24/7, they take their board down randomly.

    Now multiply this by over a hundred downlinks and it gets a little inefficient to have my mailer calling out to about, on average, a
    quarter to half of them being really "down" at any random moment
    whenever I look at the console.

    So I tell everyone that all mail is placed in Hold for you to poll
    here whenever you can. Whether you poll every minute, every day, every week, every month. I don't care. But I'm not calling you.

    I can also run a script that can very easily tell me who has not
    polled here in X amount of days or has mail piling-up...

    In the good ol' days (tm) we changed every packet (except for the points) to Crash in the ZMH. after changed everything to Hold.

    maybe this can work

    Regards,
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    dp

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Roon on Tue May 24 18:52:21 2022
    On 25 May 22 00:39:34, Roon said the following to Atreyu:

    In the good ol' days (tm) we changed every packet (except for the points) to Crash in the ZMH. after changed everything to Hold.

    I know... had the same thing in the 90's. BBS and Echomail stopped processing for ZMH every night. My NC at the time was real anal about it.

    Atreyu

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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Roon on Tue May 24 20:48:04 2022

    Maybe its a preference of the Hub. Maybe you enjoy playing the role of mailman. But I discovered 25 years ago how inefficient "Crash" really

    In the good ol' days (tm) we changed every packet (except for the points) t Crash in the ZMH. after changed everything to Hold.

    if anyone paid attention to zone mail hour. Plus other limitations are there as well.

    ... Power corrupts, but OS/2 is kinda neat.

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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Atreyu on Wed May 25 13:15:26 2022
    Re: Re: MetroNet
    By: Atreyu to Deon on Mon May 23 2022 06:54 am

    Maybe its a preference of the Hub. Maybe you enjoy playing the role of mailman. But I discovered 25 years ago how inefficient "Crash"
    really is.

    The unfortunate frustration is encountering far too many Sysops all wanting feeds and telling me the same stories. I miss my old board,
    I'm a longtime Sysop, I'm glad to be back and I'm back "for good", if you need a Hub I'll
    help out, my board runs on a VM in some cloud, I'll never vanish, etc etc.

    A month or so later when they don't get any callers to their stock boards, they disappear.

    Now multiply this by over a hundred downlinks and it gets a little inefficient to have my mailer calling out to about, on average, a
    quarter to half of them being really "down" at any random moment whenever I look at the console.

    I dont really see these as signficant problems to warrant "crash is ineffiecient" (at least in my experience anway). Your mailer calling a dead end is not good - I think that is on par with your hard drive filling up with uncollected outbound mail. In fact the end result is probably the same.

    Sure its annoying when downlinks disappear without telling you, but some configuration and automation "that script you mention" can help you be on top of it, and depending how smart it is, address it too. The architecture of this network can also distribute the workload, although some folks dont seem to enthused to do that.


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  • From Exodus@25:25/0 to Deon on Wed May 25 06:03:53 2022

    configuration and automation "that script you mention" can help you be on t of it, and depending how smart it is, address it too. The architecture of t network can also distribute the workload, although some folks dont seem to enthused to do that.

    I'm all up for multiple hubs, but other than Nick, no one has volunteered to do so. I also have the issue of the hub disappearing and thus taking nodes with them and causing me more work to readd them to my setup. :(

    ... If at first you don't succeed, that means you're average. ю

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Exodus on Wed May 25 08:33:14 2022
    On 25 May 22 06:03:53, Exodus said the following to Deon:

    I'm all up for multiple hubs, but other than Nick, no one has volunteered to do so. I also have the issue of the hub disappearing and thus taking nodes with them and causing me more work to readd them to my setup. :(

    Biggest example being Netsurge/Frank ala Scinet.

    I had him as RC12 in Fido as well...

    Atreyu

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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Deon on Wed May 25 08:47:49 2022
    On 25 May 22 13:15:26, Deon said the following to Atreyu:

    I dont really see these as signficant problems to warrant "crash is ineffiecient" (at least in my experience anway). Your mailer calling a dead end is not good - I think that is on par with your hard drive filling up wit uncollected outbound mail. In fact the end result is probably the same.

    You need to have many links to really see and understand this first-hand. You don't see these with a dozen. You see it when you get into the hundreds.

    I just don't like something trying several times a day trying to establish a connection to a dead-end. Theres no point. I'd rather put the onus on the other guy to call here for his mail. If he can configure his mailer, he can setup a poll-event.

    Sure its annoying when downlinks disappear without telling you, but some configuration and automation "that script you mention" can help you be on to of it, and depending how smart it is, address it too. The architecture of th network can also distribute the workload, although some folks dont seem to enthused to do that.

    I'd rather not automate some aspects of this. Sometimes there is a valid
    reason a downlink goes down for a period of time and I make an exception to
    the rule of nuking piled-up mail. I don't mind housekeeping sometimes.

    Fidonet RC's cannot be nuked automatically and when one vanishes it causes a bit of a headache in that I must replace that person, that person must be competent, must be reliable... lather, rinse, repeat. With the shrinking pool of talent or interest, one begins to wonder why regions are even needed.

    I get the concept of distributed-workload but its already been in place for a long time, people can get feeds from anywhere, mesh/peer together, etc. The concept of centralized hubs or tree structure is long obsolete... except for Netmail, which unfortunately many Sysops do not know how to route properly.

    Atreyu

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  • From Mro@25:25/0 to Atreyu on Wed May 25 15:28:21 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Atreyu |03to |11Exodus
    |03on |1125 May 22 08:33:14|03.

    On 25 May 22 06:03:53, Exodus said the following to Deon:

    I'm all up for multiple hubs, but other than Nick, no one has volunteered t do so. I also have the issue of the hub disappearing and thus taking nodes with them and causing me more work to readd them to my setup. :(

    Biggest example being Netsurge/Frank ala Scinet.

    I had him as RC12 in Fido as well...

    oh yeah that guy would disappear for long stretches every 2 years.
    He did it multiple times. He also would not answer emails, he would not
    use social media and his 'friends' couldn't even contact him. First couple of times i was wondering if he went to prison or if he died.

    He'd go from being super active to being a ghost.
    looks like once a year he shows up to retweet stuff on twitter.

    apparently someone else took scinet and they are running it.

    ... Trust everyone, but always cut the cards.

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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Exodus on Thu May 26 08:21:36 2022
    Re: Re: MetroNet
    By: Exodus to Deon on Wed May 25 2022 06:03 am

    I'm all up for multiple hubs, but other than Nick, no one has volunteered to do so. I also have the issue of the hub disappearing and thus
    taking nodes with them and causing me more work to readd them to my setup. :(

    Well, as I said earlier, I'm offering to help.

    If you had doubts about my longevity, than OK - I'm a hub for a few networks, and I've been around a while.

    If, and when, those doubts subside just yell out.


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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Atreyu on Thu May 26 10:31:51 2022
    Re: Re: MetroNet
    By: Atreyu to Deon on Wed May 25 2022 08:47 am

    You need to have many links to really see and understand this first-hand. You don't see these with a dozen. You see it when you get into the
    hundreds.

    Well, as I say, I dont see the challenge you are describing and I have a bit more than a dozen. And yes, I could see a single hub sweating if it had hundreds of downlinks, especially if using 1990s software.


    I just don't like something trying several times a day trying to establish a connection to a dead-end. Theres no point. I'd rather put the onus on
    the other guy to call here for his mail. If he can configure his mailer, he can setup a poll-event.

    Fair enough...

    I'd rather not automate some aspects of this. Sometimes there is a valid reason a downlink goes down for a period of time and I make an exception to the rule of nuking piled-up mail. I don't mind housekeeping sometimes.

    Well technically, that too can be fixed - or as a last result, a rescan would address it? But yes, a rescan might be a challenge for some "Sysops".

    The concept of centralized hubs or tree structure is long obsolete... except for Netmail, which unfortunately many Sysops do not know how to route
    properly.

    Well it doesnt need to be. It's how this ancient hobby used to work and most folks are using ancient software - or using modern versions of ancient software built with ancient thinking...


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  • From Atreyu@25:25/5 to Deon on Wed May 25 21:49:47 2022
    On 26 May 22 10:31:51, Deon said the following to Atreyu:

    Well, as I say, I dont see the challenge you are describing and I have a bit more than a dozen. And yes, I could see a single hub sweating if it had hundreds of downlinks, especially if using 1990s software.

    See, you present yourself as having some level of intelligence and I know
    you develop things, but then you cop out with little digs towards software
    or things here that are "standard". Rob Swindell does the same thing... I have a message from him dated '05 insulting all of us running DOS boards.

    You know 90's stuff is whats in use and enjoyed. Look at how many Mystic and Synchronet guys trip over themselves making FTN's or door games work just as how they remember from back then. If you have something to contribute beyond commentary then please politely show me where I can test it myself.

    Well technically, that too can be fixed - or as a last result, a rescan woul address it? But yes, a rescan might be a challenge for some "Sysops".

    Its not rescand or storage thats the problem. I don't care if mail piles up for months as long as I'm told a good reason why... someone has cancer,
    Covid, family member died, etc. Fine, connect here when you can.

    Even the ones who trolled me were always welcome to grab a feed from my
    system, polite invitations were always extended. One of the biggest ones ever one day emailed me considering me a "friend" because I always offered open access to everything, never nuked him or cut feeds etc.

    Well it doesnt need to be. It's how this ancient hobby used to work and most folks are using ancient software - or using modern versions of ancient software built with ancient thinking...

    And again, I can't understand the real meaning of this without you clearly bringing something to the table for comparison. We already have Jas Hud for bravado nonsense.

    Atreyu

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  • From deon@25:25/23 to Atreyu on Fri May 27 11:47:00 2022
    Re: Re: MetroNet
    By: Atreyu to Deon on Wed May 25 2022 09:49 pm

    Well, as I say, I dont see the challenge you are describing and I have a bit more than a dozen. And yes, I could see a single hub sweating if
    it had hundreds of downlinks, especially if using 1990s software.

    ... but then you cop out with little digs towards software
    or things here that are "standard". Rob Swindell does the same thing...

    If you have something to contribute beyond commentary then please politely show me where I can test it myself.

    Well it doesnt need to be. It's how this ancient hobby used to work and most folks are using ancient software - or using modern versions of ancient software built with ancient thinking...

    And again, I can't understand the real meaning of this without you clearly bringing something to the table for comparison. We already have Jas Hud
    for bravado nonsense.ll bring it back on track.

    So Nick, I can see this conversation going in a direction that I'm not interested in - so I'll bring it back to my point.

    A comment was made that for a hub to Crash was ridiculous. I didn't agree with that comment, because I actually find crash useful. It enables me to to offload stuff for downlinks fairly quickly keeping my outbound slim, as well has enhancing the response time between messages - which is what I like.

    I actually think it is more efficient (when configured appropriately) - in that I think it's pointless polling a system for mail it doesn't have for me, especially when it can deliver it to me when it has some.

    In my experience, whether you hub for a dozen downlinks or 100+, I've not experienced any difficulties or problems by having crash as my default configuration, nor have I noticed the impact to my system because it's stuck polling people that have gone awol. I haven't had anybody complain to me either, that getting mail is problematic as a result of this setup.

    One of the attributing reasons may be because I do use automation to help - and yes if a node goes awol for more than 30 days, it automatically stop exporting mail to them, and ultimately deletes what's in the outbound for them - especially if I cannot reach them, or do not hear from them. I don't see the point of continuous exporting mail for a node that doesn't collect it.

    If/when they come back, a quick rescan gets them everything they missed and the are back on track with (hopefully) a minimum of disruption.

    I think this works well on todays modern environment (ie: because of TCP/IP as the transport), because, on the old 1990s technology which was hardware dependant (serial ports) and only one conversation could be had a time per device, and together with the connect/tear down latency (and slower transfer speed) - I couldn't see how a 1990's mailer could cope with "100's" of downlinks using crash - even with a handful of modems hanging of a digiboard, and so in that case, a "call me" approach may be the right process for that setup (which, as I recall, was the common setup in the 1990s).

    Which reminds me, I don't recall what happened to my digiboard... hmm


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